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You may be surprised to know that this is actually something people have thought about; turns out you would need extremely low utilization of the train, plus a very long journey at each end by car, plus one of the more inefficient train routes, for it to lose to the car or the plane. High speed trains are generally the least efficient in CO2/passenger km, so if you’re looking to put this together then I would recommend France’s excellent analysis of their carbon output on their routes.

As one example, the Paris-Geneva TGV Lyria is 3.5 kg co2e per person per trip on an average utilization train. [0] Driving is 149 kg co2e per vehicle; average occupancy is 1.12 to 1.6 people per car but let’s be generous to your idea and say we have a full average Swiss family of 2.3 people along for the ride. So driving is 64.7 kg co2e per person. It’s a 5.5 hour drive, so let’s be very favorable to the car again and say they have a 1 hour taxi ride at each destination. You’re now at a total of 23.2kg taxi + 3.5kg train = 26.7kg total, or half that of driving; as you can see even a 10x capacity reduction in the train would still make the train more efficient. It’s remarkably hard to beat a train with anything other than a bus, and you’ll need a fairly efficient bus and a fairly inefficient train for that.

[0] https://www.tgv-lyria.com/sites/default/files/inline-files/t...


The train will go independently of utilization so no matter how few seats are occupied, using a car instead will lead to more emissions (noise, particles from tires, exhaust gases incl. CO2). Why do you think taking a taxi to/from a train station makes the whole trip take more emissions than taking a car for the whole ride?

Which other factors would need to be counted in? I honestly can not imagine a scenario where using a car is better for the environment than using a train...

> Please don't push this EU green-madness.

Please make an argument that your position should not be considered madness.

I am myself not taking a train very often, but that is because it's often more expensive than using my car, less flexible and not as comfortable (mostly because I don't feel comfortable around strangers).


You lost me at "EU green-madness". It could have otherwise been a valid pov but this definitely changed the territory for me.


In the Netherlands, almost all train stations have bicycles for rent for 4.15 euro per day. You have one in minutes (uses the same card as paying for the train does). And there are bicycle paths everywhere. No need to take a taxi after taking a train.




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