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I wonder how this relates to sleep apnea, as in that state you sleep more the less oxygen you get. By the way, many people who don't think they have it yet feel tired during the day or simply feel like they need more sleep should get tested for it, as it's not just a problem for the obese.


My dad always had a notorious sleep apnea but also has notoriously been strong & 'youthful' all his life, very active, even up to this day at almost 70(never working desk jobs, always moving, etc). This always leaves me wondering about how relevant & impactful this kind of thing really is..


Perhaps in your dad's case, it's despite, not because.


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I said you sleep more the less oxygen you get, not the converse (ie, because you get less oxygen, you sleep more). And it is a factual statement that obese people are likelier to have sleep apnea, it is not a "stigma" and there is nothing wrong in suggesting that people who aren't in that category get tested too, don't try to find things to get offended by.


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  >You're never going to get anywhere with *gestures broadly*... this.
Very self-aggrandizing, very 2016, very devoid of tact.

Also, fat people have a 5-10x rate of sleep apnea over someone of a normal, healthy weight. Being fat is bad for you. That is not a "stigma", it's just factually true. You don't have to dress it up as something sexy, because being fat is neither healthy nor sexy.


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I'm obese, have sleep apnea, and can't find any statement that I would consider lacking tact in OP's comments.

Yours on the other hand, I find plenty.


No, I don't think I will.


> You don't get less oxygen the more you sleep, but sure.

You're not understanding the construction of the sentence. "Flies gather more the more manure there is" means if there is more manure, then flies gather more; if you get less oxygen, you sleep more. You understood the sentence as, you sleep more therefore you get less oxygen, which is actually the converse of what I said, which is incorrect. No logical implication is implied, it's an elided "if" in the grammatical construction.

You're taking "obese" as an insult for some reason, which says more about your thoughts on the matter than mine, which was a neutral statement. No need to passive aggressively gesture at anything.


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> Maybe try quadrupling down on the incorrect thing you said, that usually works out well.

> Learn tact. You do not have it.

We've asked you before to avoid personal swipes like this on HN.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.


Thank you, Tom. You're doing well moderating this corner of the Internet.


By sleep more, I mean sleep a longer duration of time during the day, which is absolutely true that people with sleep apnea do so, even if the quality of sleep is less. I am still not sure why you are continuing this conversation about tact when it seems to only be you taking offense to the word "obese."


I am just going to reply to this comment instead of going through each of yours. You are saying a lot about "Tact" but have yet to actually propose an alternative to how the OP said what they said.

It is fairly common that because someone is not in a traditionally higher risk group for a common thing that they don't get tested for it, even if they have certain symptoms. This is the case both personally and doctors make this mistake as well.

Pointing out that people that do not fall within the group that is traditionally associated with sleep apnea should likely get tested if they show certain symptoms is valid as is mentioning that group. It is a fairly basic health PSA.

So if you are going to keep complaining about "Tact" than offer your own alternative about how to relay this information. And omitting "obese" is not actually helping anyone.


It is actually so funny to see all of their subcomments being dead now, I guess people really did not like the tone they had.


Wow imagine being offended by the mention of a direct casual connection between obesity and a health condition.


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The message was fine as-is, it doesn't disparage or otherise in any way. No need for editing.




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