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People are going to hate on Grok because of Musk. However, I do hope they're successful in making a powerful model. We desperately need more competition. I want cheap subsidized AI plans.

I hope Meta finally comes around, too. I want those sweet, sweet billionaire subsidized tokens.



Pardon me for feeling icky when giving money to the guy who is obsessed with "white replacement".

I am old and cynical - I have no illusions, but I also have my limits and a semblance of moral compass. We, as citizens, can vote with ballots, but also with money.

And, no, I am not someone who keeps boycotting companies for every little grievance (was on the receiving end of that nonsense twice).


Never used grok, never will.


Do you not use any major provider's AI at all? Because the other big options are from companies actively aiding a genocide (Google), or companies clamouring to be the tools used in future war crimes (OpenAI and Anthropic - the latter only attempted to put weak muzzles on it, they're still heavily involved).

Every one of them is involved in actively involved in destroying non-white people's lives and livelihoods, people just seem to not pay attention unless they're really loud about it like Elon is.


As I said, I have no illusions about the "morals" of corporations, especially in this post-shame world, but one has to have lines. Musk is a uniquely vile human being who seems to revel in the suffering of others. It's much different from "good business is where you find it".


Yep, large scale murder is just "business is business", but Musk ouchied my feelings with the bad words and that's far worse - that checks out for the current US left attitude.

As a non-white person, I'm far more worried about the danger and damage from openAI and Google, that is real and current. Elon sees us as inferior and isn't quiet about it like most of the rest of the powerful folks are, but "business is business" gets our families killed far more than some tweets do.


Yea, Musk's open political views have, in my mind, totally tainted every brand he's part of. Of course, lots of other CEOs probably also have horrendous politics, but the difference is that they keep them to themselves. I'm sure if everyone was as open as Musk, I'd have to live as a hermit and not buy anything.


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"I know who Hugo Boss caters to but, damn, they make good threads."

- Someone in the 1930s, probably.


If the only people openly caring about the future of Europe are the Hugo Boss fans, then all the people caring about said future will go to them.

If the far right are the only people with sane immigration and asylum policies, I have no choice but to vote for them, even if I disagree with everything else they preach.


Your racism makes you so easily manipulated.


Xenophobia. At least have the decency to accuse of the right vice


Your pride in your bigotry makes you a terrible human being.


From you that is the highest praise possible.


My point exactly.


Yes exactly.

They are a leading brand to this day.

I feel like you are disproving your own point?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Boss

"uoooh they worked for NAZIS!!!!" okay, and? The clothes are good.


Your $200 claude code subscription is a cheap subsidized plan.

You're getting like 40k in tokens a year for $2400. A whole lotta people are about to be sad when they realize they bet their competency on that lasting forever.


Luckily inference is cheap, and other providers offer efficient models.

It’s only going to get better in the future.


Its not though, just because your favorite CEO or youtuber said it will, doesnt mean it will. Inference is not cheap, you have no idea what you're talking about. Every new chinese model has doubled their prices in the last two weeks


Kimi K2.6, the leading open-weights model, is $0.95 input / $4.00 output / $0.16 cache.

That’s about 1.45x more expensive than K2.5 from January.

It is around 5x cheaper than GPT 5.5.


That's my point. While the billionares fight each other over who has the best model, this will continue for a while. At least, I think so.


I think the party ends this year.


Credit where it's due, Grok is currently the only model that has near-realtime updates from/access to a waterhose of data, and is casually used by regular people all the time.

I don't think there's a single thread on Xitter whete people don't delegate some question to grok.

(There's a separate conversation of failure modes, and whether it's a good thing, and how much control Elon had when he doesn't like Grok's "woke" responses)


All the major tools can websearch guy


It's not just about web search though -- there's another element too. I go to Grok to find things I have failed to find with web search.

I agree with GP -- if I want sourced commentary on current events, Grok is my go-to above the other models. For whatever reason, its search feels better and more up-to-date -- whereas the others feel more like filters of media, Grok feels more like filters of sources.

Could just be my perception though. YMMV


Grok seems to work faster, and especially in the context of twitter it actually is routinely used, and pulls from current events quite quickly.




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