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The creativity came before the reading. Coming up with a plan to allow taking 6 months off and living in another country. The 6 months of reading fuels the next set of creative ideas.


I think the point is that there is nothing "creative" about deciding to go bum around SE Asia for a few months. Actually doing so will certainly take some planning, and maybe relaxing and reading might give you ideas for stuff to do later, but there is nothing creative in the act or in the planning and there is nothing to suggest that it will result will be anything creative either. I know scads of young 20-somethings who did exactly this and then came back home to do pretty much nothing.


Sounds more to me like the "creative idea" was "convince someone to pay me to take 6 months off to go read books in Thailand."

Seriously. Why should creativity go unquestioned?


I can't understand this line of reasoning. Creativity is the result of a process, and that process is ignoring (or at least comparatively devaluing) the horrific and sneering grasp of the status quo.

To separate the result of the creative process from the process is an abstraction that ends up excluding the actionable content from the concept. To argue over which acts are and aren't creative will do nothing to serve you in your life, so why do it except to try to bring others down?


Then explain the process. Tell me what you hope to create, why you want to create it, and why you think your chosen method will work.

As it stands, all I see is a six-month vacation in Thailand. I don't see the grand vision you say you have. Make me see it, and then we'll talk. And if you cannot help me see it, then why should I support you? Why should you go unquestioned?


Creativity isn't the creation of a product. It does not imply selflessness. It isn't de facto laudable, and "creative" need not even be a compliment. That's not the argument.

Instead - just look at what you need to justify in order to "support" me (what does this MEAN?)! Why, beyond mere curiosity, do you feel more need to "question" somebody for doing what they want when it is outside of the status quo? Why does this become an issue of approval?

EDIT: To clear up any miscommunication - I am talking about friends/acquaintances getting uncomfortable/upset about my spending my time, money, and life the way I want to simply because it does not conform to the status quo. I am not talking about soliciting anybody (that would be weird).

EDIT 2: Although the fact that multiple commenters assumed that someone else would have to be bankrolling me to do this shows how deep the "always have a job and spend what you earn" conditioning/lifestyle goes.


I didn't say that creativity was the creation of a product, per se. But by definition, it does create something: a product, perhaps, but just as likely a work of art, literature, philosophy, or other abstracts. Or maybe even just a plan of further action. The point of creativity is to create.

Why do I question you? Because all you've told me is that you want to spend six months reading books in Thailand. You won't tell me what you're reading, or why Thailand, or why it needs to be done full-time. Do you even know what you're going to be reading? I suspect not; I suspect this is pure leisure, and the plan to read books will only last until the first distraction comes along. But even if it doesn't, I'm not seeing what difference it would make. And all of this would be well enough to leave alone, but you're (hypothetically) asking me to either bankroll it, or to at least treat it as kind of serious personal project, without even telling me why I should do either one.

Why should I question you? Why shouldn't I? There is creativity, and there is BS, and this is sounding more and more like the latter. Why shouldn't you be called out on that? All I've asked is why, yet the response has been defensive if not outright hostile. What are you defending?

I think I know. This isn't Michelangelo or Picasso or Tolkien or Henson or even Yankovic. This is, at its absolute best, Katy t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m, acting out at random in blind rebellion, not against anything in particular, but merely for rebellion's sake, because that's what sounds like fun. And for that, you can leave me off your list of donors.


Something got lost in translation, no_wave originally said, "stop working for six months". It wasn't a request for paid time off.

And looking at the rest of your (Millennium) comments, it looks like you took it personally and unironically got angry.




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